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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 14:25:20 GMT -5
If he's officially tagged "out for season" I guess that's the part I'm a little unclear on. Who exactly does the "officially" tagging a guy as out for the season? Yahoo and MLB don't go any farther than officially putting a guy on the DL (as far as I know). An individual team may or may not say a guy is out for the season, but more than likely I'd imagine it's usually some reporter saying it based on what he hears from some source. So what counts as "official" when it comes to out for the season?
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Post by NoPepperGames on Mar 3, 2014 14:45:43 GMT -5
There's really no "Official" out for the season designation. But I think we all know what is meant by that....players with major injuries that are reported as being "out for the season". Your TJSs, ACL tears, broken legs, etc.
And that is why I also added the part about if a player somehow manages to make it back despite having been ruled "out for the season". In the unlikely event a player that was expected to be out for the season makes it back that season, then that part of the rule applies.
A key part of the rule is that you MUST keep the player if you invoke the rule. So it's meant to protect you from having to carry a player all season on your roster that won't end up playing, because as we know, dropping a player in this league means somebody is going to be able to keep him at a nice price. When you are in the playoffs, we found that having to roster a player who has no chance of contributing but is too valuable to drop can be detrimental to your playoff chances, because every roster spot is useful at that point.
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Post by arch on Mar 3, 2014 14:57:00 GMT -5
I would say team officially saying it + 60 days DL...and should he come back...no one can pick him up? Some injuries and surgeries are "telling" too
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Post by NoPepperGames on Mar 3, 2014 15:08:35 GMT -5
Incidentally the origin of the rule is from a few seasons ago when Wainwright was sent off for TJS in the Spring, quite soon after he was drafted in this league. I believe the manager who drafted him (Anthony maybe?) then had to hold onto him for the entire season, even though there was no hope of him contributing to his team, yet was far too valuable to drop.
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Post by arch on Mar 3, 2014 15:12:54 GMT -5
Wasn't that me? Something like just after we locked our keepers?
edit: yeah, in 2011 I had Wainwright as a keeper in 6th. They announced TJ few days into spring training. Oh the trials and tribulations I had to endure.
LORD! I NEED THAT WIN JUST ABOUT NOW. THANK YOU.
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Post by NoPepperGames on Mar 3, 2014 15:14:54 GMT -5
Wasn't that me? Something like just after we locked our keepers? Yeah it was either you or Anthony, I can't remember which. But yeah...that's right, it was right after keepers were locked.
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Post by NoPepperGames on Mar 3, 2014 15:23:04 GMT -5
It's also worth noting that the rule is not without risk. By committing to keeping a seriously injured player, you are gambling that he will in fact be useful enough to be kept for the following season. I can think of a few guys that such an approach would not have worked out for: Brandon Webb and Kendrys Morales, off the top of my head.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 15:51:17 GMT -5
I guess the "MUST keep" part is key to this rule, as it limits its use. It's my bad, I'm sure I've looked through the league changes section before and don't remember ever really noticing this rule. Guess I should read those more carefully.
I would say that the fact that we have 3 DL spots (not sure if that is new since the rule), I would think would normally be enough to cover any rash of injuries. I mean, if you have 4 guys that you feel are keeper worthy that you can't drop who are out for any length of time, the playoffs are probably a distant dream.
Thanks though, I just wanted to understand it clearly prior to someone using it in season.
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Post by chanwise on Mar 3, 2014 15:57:00 GMT -5
Yeah, i think the DL spots came after the IR rule. I think most of us probably forgot about the IR rule since its rare...otherwise, I would drafted Harvey a round earlier. Now to pray Harvey tanks like Webb did years ago ;-)
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Post by NoPepperGames on Mar 3, 2014 16:16:37 GMT -5
I guess the "MUST keep" part is key to this rule, as it limits its use. It's my bad, I'm sure I've looked through the league changes section before and don't remember ever really noticing this rule. Guess I should read those more carefully. I would say that the fact that we have 3 DL spots (not sure if that is new since the rule), I would think would normally be enough to cover any rash of injuries. I mean, if you have 4 guys that you feel are keeper worthy that you can't drop who are out for any length of time, the playoffs are probably a distant dream. Thanks though, I just wanted to understand it clearly prior to someone using it in season. Well that's, as they say, the rub. It's perfectly possible to have 3 guys on the DL who are expected back in 2 weeks or so....that don't necessarily need to be "keeper worthy", just players that are likely to be useful later in the season when they come back from the DL. Not necessarily keeper worthy, but not drop worthy either. When you add in an additional guy who has no chance to come back that is keeper worthy, you can easily find yourself in a pinch. We didn't make the rule right when the Wainwright injury happened (which was in Spring 2011), as you can see from the date. We made it the following preseason after Arch struggled with having to hold onto him the entire season. And yes, one additional DL spot was added since then as well. And yeah, rule #1 of fantasy baseball is Know thy league settings and rules. I encourage every new manager to familiarize themselves with the rules when I invite them. And it's not a matter of knowing the minutiae of each thread where we voted on rule changes, either. It's noted in the League Setup page here: rwkeeper.proboards.com/thread/2/league-setupAnd Jonathan, yeah I hadn't even thought of the IR rule as it could apply to Harvey until yesterday. Had I remembered it earlier, I would have taken Harvey earlier as well.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2014 0:07:17 GMT -5
To Jamie & Rob: Fuck-uh you-uh.
My top two guys right there. I don't blame you guys, it's my fault for having 3 straight keepers, but dammit.
I think Farquhar is poised to be a stud closer when Rodney leaves/implodes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2014 16:55:50 GMT -5
Well, that's my first missed pick of the draft. I wanted Burton...
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Post by arch on Mar 4, 2014 17:26:03 GMT -5
Dozier? Why would you do that...
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Post by bombadils on Mar 4, 2014 20:14:04 GMT -5
Now I hate rob too! Great pick with gattis.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2014 21:27:55 GMT -5
Surprised Gattis lasted as long as he did.
Upset Archie Bradley was drafted.
Not shocked Baez was still on the board. I don't think he will spend much time at the big league level this year (mind you, I also didn't believe McCutchen would be a top 10 player last year either).
I would really like if if you guys could stay away from my last prospect I have at the top of my list, so I could actually land him.
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