60 day DL / 25th round

[John]

Okay guys,

Firstly, I'd like to say we have to find a solution ASAP and I'm (as always) leaving everything up to the vote of the league.

Secondly, I'd like to direct you to the "updates" section at the bottom of the league page on yahoo. Check out Arch's (Harold of the Rocks) issue. Basically, for players like Adam Wainwright (and Kendrys Morales last year) who end up getting hurt for the entire season after being drafted/kept, an issue is created when other players get hurt. They obviously have no trade value either.

Here are the solutions I can think of:

1. Tough luck - players get hurt and sometimes you'll get hit with multiple injuries in a season. Wainwright's DL length shouldn't matter. We can figure out a solution next year if necessary.

2. You are free to drop the player into the WW pool but he will be restricted from anyone picking him up. You have to formally declare that you are keeping him next year for him to be restricted and you HAVE to keep him once you make the decision and drop him (no flip flopping at the end of the year thereby keeping your options open). This obviously won't be very official, but I can prevent anyone from picking Wainwright up, but we should honor the rule and not get to that point anyway.

3. Extra DL spots - just to help with situations like this. Simple enough.

4. We could also set a rule that anyone that gets drafted will be kept at whatever round he's drafted in DESPITE being picked up from the WW pool. So if I draft Cruz in the 4th round (obviously didn't) and drop him for whatever reason, he will be a 4th round keeper for anyone who picks him up (instead of a 25th). This will be different from undrafted players who will count as a 25th.

5. Other - suggestions? Post below and I'll rework the poll.

Let me know what you think! We have to come to a solution fast so please take the time to vote and post input.

[John]

I vote for an extra DL spot or two, by the way. Kinda combination of extra DL spot / tough luck (as in, sometimes teams have tons of injuries, but at least an extra spot will help).

I'd love to hear everyone else's thoughts.

[playerx3d]

I voted for Draft Round=Keeper Value, but I would just as happily agree to the 60 Day DL concept. I agree that you shouldn't have to keep the player rostered all season just to keep someone else from plucking them on the cheap.

[NoPepperGames]

I also voted for option 4. Not sure we can implement that mid-season, though. That would be something that would have to be 100% agreed upon by the league, IMO. I'm sure whoever picked up Sizemore this year (why exactly did you drop him Tom?), wouldn't be too happy to have this rule instituted mid-season. Perhaps we can go ahead and draw a line...the rule takes effect NOW going forward, and any previous WW claims would fall under the old rule??

[chanwise]

Agree. I wouldn't be too happy since that Sizemore was a steal for me IMO. I just personally think that 3 DL spots are enough and if there are teams that are storing players such as myself with Santana or someone else with Strasburg, it shouldnt matter. Wainwright was drafted knowing he was injury prone which is the chance you take in terms of risk/reward. I would rather we decide on this next season since it has already started.

[ita1y]

I see lots of scenarios making some sense. I would say the one that makes the most sense to me/would be the easiest (because I see having a restricted players list being to much of a pain in the ass to follow) would be adding 1-2 more DL spots, and then saying tough luck. Maybe we designate one extra DL spot to a keeper? Instead of having a list, just let them keep the guy on the DL (and you are only allowed to use the third DL spot if one is declared a keeper per honor code). Something like that.

[John]

May 6, 2011 21:25:56 GMT -5 @ita1y said:

I see lots of scenarios making some sense. I would say the one that makes the most sense to me/would be the easiest (because I see having a restricted players list being to much of a pain in the ass to follow) would be adding 1-2 more DL spots, and then saying tough luck. Maybe we designate one extra DL spot to a keeper? Instead of having a list, just let them keep the guy on the DL (and you are only allowed to use the third DL spot if one is declared a keeper per honor code). Something like that.

I like this idea. It is a lot simpler for everyone to follow/maintain. I'm not completely opposed to a drafted, dropped player's keeper status remaining the same despite being a WW pickup. However, I think having an extra DL spot (only allowed for keepers/situations like this, like you said) and then going by tough luck would be easiest.

[pogel777]

I completely disagree with players having to keep the draft round value. If someone is dropped they shouldn't have a round value. It means they weren't a top 20 player for that team. They shouldn't be a 3rd, 6th, or any round pick for anyone who grabs and stashes. If I'm willing to intentionally anchor my team to someone who isn't performing this year but I know would be a steal as a very late round pick for next year then so be it. They should t have been dropped if they have good overall value. WW pick ups should be the last round picks.

[arch]

I think that, since we are having possible contracts on each of our players, there should be some sort of protection implemented. Losing a player for a season and having to start a backup instead is punishment enough, teams shouldn't suffer on top of that.
Additional DLs for these cases only, should pretty much solve that problem. I don't have problems with all FA-WW being 25th round keepers. Unfortunately, this wasn't resolved before the season started and I agree that we shouldn't be changing anything right now.

The issue is, with this years rules, if the managers should be allowed to exploit the situation.

Specifically, Wainwright for me is dead weight and even if all the recovery reports are fantastic, I still don't want to use rnd 6 to keep him. His trade value is zero because of this. However, if I make an arrangement with the #1 WW priority owner, I might be able to get something back for Wainwright if that manager is willing to sacrifice a DL spot for a possible late round ace.
Would that be considered collusion/illegal ?


Another issue that arises is if we implement said protection for season ending injuries, should traded/dropped players forfeit that protection. I would say yes here, seems only logical, but we ougta have it on paper.